I have never seen such long stretches of silence. Surely, folks have returned to their shops to make X-mas gifts for family and friends. If nothing else you should be spending some time there to justify your own tool wish list!
And what are all of you folks doing that are looking at the the thread for my build? Every few days the "view count" goes up by a hundred or more. Surely, some of you are looking because you are actually building a separator! Let's hear from you.
I have also been wondering where all the air spinners have gone.
To read all the blog is a daunting task and I think it puts a lot of wood shredders off reading it. I think it would help if enquirers were to be pointed to your build to find out how to make a TH at the entry point.
I have not seen any relevant articles in the wood working magazines of late, although I certainly cannot hope to read them all.
Quote from: BernardNaish on November 16, 2014, 03:42:17 AM
I have also been wondering where all the air spinners have gone.
To read all the blog is a daunting task and I think it puts a lot of wood shredders off reading it. I think it would help if enquirers were to be pointed to your build to find out how to make a TH at the entry point.
I have not seen any relevant articles in the wood working magazines of late, although I certainly cannot hope to read them all.
I can't imagine reading all the threads in this forum. In fact, just reading my thread from start to finish is a little daunting, but it was written over time as I was building and testing, so it is a bit drawn out. In hindsight I should have waited till I was finished and then provided only the information essential for other builders - that would have made it easier to read.
r2, I was not being critical of your posts. I think it would be great is your input could be somehow drawn together as an entity and "pinned" (If that is the right word) to the start of the blog. At the very least something pinned at the head of the blog so that newly interested readers could be directed to the start of your build. I also think that it should be locked to prevent it becoming even longer.
BTW it would be helpfull if an inexpensive method could be agreed to give a consistent set of measurements so that small design changes could be quantified by TH builders. UnfortunatlyI do not have enough knowledge of fluid dynamics to do this myself.
We had some great input with a contributor making a mathematical model of a TH. I feel I shot this down somewhat by insisting it should at least be able to replicate your real word results. Could this be one reason that posts have dried up or is it that we have given the impression that nothing is sufficiently resolved to ensure that a build is worth doing?
Quote from: BernardNaish on November 16, 2014, 11:24:30 AM
r2, I was not being critical of your posts. I think it would be great is your input could be somehow drawn together as an entity and "pinned" (If that is the right word) to the start of the blog. At the very least something pinned at the head of the blog so that newly interested readers could be directed to the start of your build. I also think that it should be locked to prevent it becoming even longer.
BTW it would be helpfull if an inexpensive method could be agreed to give a consistent set of measurements so that small design changes could be quantified by TH builders. UnfortunatlyI do not have enough knowledge of fluid dynamics to do this myself.
We had some great input with a contributor making a mathematical model of a TH. I feel I shot this down somewhat by insisting it should at least be able to replicate your real word results. Could this be one reason that posts have dried up or is it that we have given the impression that nothing is sufficiently resolved to ensure that a build is worth doing?
Bernard,
I did not take your comments to be a criticism at all. I know you have frequently urged others to read my thread thoroughly. If I had the time (and energy) I would totally rewrite it with only what is important and include more photos of the step by step construction. Then I would ask Phil to pin it.
I'm afraid I also contributed to the loss of the member who started to model the separator dynamics. I felt the same as you, i.e. if we could not create a model the somewhat matched the real world of a standard build, then it would be hard to accept the results of dramatic modifications.
the problem I see is that there is only a small core area that is tailored for.
once someone has built a separator they tend to go back to their normal lives.
commercial cyclones are even getting cheaper. some people would rather just buy something and get back to work.
its only the die hard group that want to build it themselves. when you do build it you want it to be the best so research a lot
we need to keep members here and talk about other aspects of dust collection.
iv suggested this in the past but it didn't catch on.
that's what I mean.
I think we should have a section or sections dedicated to dc modification of tools and general dc pipework ect
I woiuld love to see this place be a central hub for all things dc
264 views and only 7 reply's, way to many lurkers
have you fitted those to the saw yet
so would I, right now I have nothing to contribute but I still check this forum a couple of times a day looking for ideas. :)
nope this will be a winter project. im gonna bolt 2 old craftsmans together along with router table and mount it on a rolling cart with lots of drawers for storage. this way i can have a dado and a regular blade or have one angled etc i hate changing blades or setting up bevels.if i could figure out how to get my sketchup on here i would love to just to get feed back and more ideas. so im in the gathering up parts stage. might have to raise saw up 1 1/2 to get knuckle clearance for blade tilt knob.
ok took pic with phone. im gonna relocate the 6" castors up inside the torsion base which will lower saw but then i can make deeper drawers and raise the saw back up, add floor locks to each corner I would like to connect with linkage so i only need to operate one lock,and im gonna pipe the table saw pans together with a y gate and pipe to side of platform so i don't have to crawl under the folding out feed table anymore.
backside
that should work.
im not sure I would go with a torsion box. I would rather a steel frame.it would be stronger
thought about steel cuz i do have an arc welder and torch collecting dust but i only have to move 6' to rip ply and steel tube would cut into my beer budget ;D
oh i got a msg from a guy named sawsucker saying that my design was like his design and i should give him credit. so thanks for inspiring my table saw dust pan design mr sawsucker i removed my post hope that makes you happy and have a wonderfull holiday season
Quote from: dabullseye on November 28, 2014, 01:33:13 PM
oh i got a msg from a guy named sawsucker saying that my design was like his design and i should give him credit. so thanks for inspiring my table saw dust pan design mr sawsucker i removed my post hope that makes you happy and have a wonderfull holiday season
Before you allow "sawsucker", woodchuck, or one of the other numerous aliases that Charles Lenz goes by to intimidate you, you should be aware that he has been kicked off just about every woodworking forum that he has joined, and there are quite a few. He has a habit of becoming hostile when someone disagrees with him in a discussion. He also thinks he is the inventor of trapazoidal chutes, and he thinks everyone who independently comes up with the idea stole it from him. That is absurd!
Your work is about dust collection, and you should feel free to share and post what you are doing here, including the dust chutes for your saws. You did not steal the idea and you do not owe anyone credit. Chutes under saws are like fenders on a car - all sheet metal, they all look alike, they all serve the same purpose, but every model is different.
i like and appreciate the private msg i have received about this horrible disgusting person who thinks he invented the wheel and is above everybody else. its people like this that lurk in the shadows of web sites and then send out private msg to to people like me not conducting themselves in a courteous professional manor or even giving their real name much less cant spell worth a crap(even with spell check) that make me think he has some real mental issues. maybe he needs to write letters to goodyear,firestone better yet wake up to the fact that sites like these are to support and help others. i never heard phil complain when the top hats were conceived from his baffel design. so mr sawsucker i think it best if you just quit inventing things that have already invented and just seek mental help for your disorder and your illusions of being Leonardo Da vinici.
I have to apologize that he was able to contact you. First posts of new members have to be moderated by me before they appear. And I thought that until that happened, they could not send PM's. That is the way I have things set but I obviously have something set incorrectly.
Nonetheless, I have "banned" him in the system for now and I've asked over at the forum support site how I can better adjust my settings so brand-new sign-ups can't PM established members.
In the meantime feel free to repost your chute. As the owner of this site, I'm the only one that can ask people to remove content.
Okay, someone at the Simple Machines support forum provided the tip to prevent Super-Newbies from sending PM's, so even if he signs up at the library with a new name, he won't be able to PM anyone.
Again, my apologies.
thanks Phil. i was looking at my options and i came across an ignore list but i cant find how to set it up and get it going, but now i guess i dont need to worry about this troll anymore. enjoy the holidays and thanks for all the work you do behind the scenes.
Quote from: retired2 on November 16, 2014, 09:05:58 AM
Quote from: BernardNaish on November 16, 2014, 03:42:17 AM
I have also been wondering where all the air spinners have gone.
To read all the blog is a daunting task and I think it puts a lot of wood shredders off reading it. I think it would help if enquirers were to be pointed to your build to find out how to make a TH at the entry point.
I have not seen any relevant articles in the wood working magazines of late, although I certainly cannot hope to read them all.
"I can't imagine reading all the threads in this forum. In fact, just reading my thread from start to finish is a little daunting, but it was written over time as I was building and testing, so it is a bit drawn out. In hindsight I should have waited till I was finished and then provided only the information essential for other builders - that would have made it easier to read."
This is my first post. I have put off dust collection for way too long and my lungs are being affected. I want to install a system and found this site. I am finding it overwhelmingly daunting to just figure out where to start. The amount of info is why I abandoned doing this years ago.
That said, what I think I am seeing is as follows: I just bought the HF 2 HP collector; I think I'll get a Wynn filter, and add a seperator (? Thein Top Hat looks like a lot of work to make so I might not get to that for a while). I figure this is a start, and I'll just wade my way through more info best I can. I guess if there would be one thing I'd most like to see, it would be some easier way for somone like me with no prior knowledge, to get started. Maybe just a progressive list of steps that sort of summarize the state of the art, starting with a simple system, and adding optional steps. I am thankful for all the info and knowledge here, but it is indeed a bit daunting for a newbie.
Quote from: bbrown on December 18, 2014, 05:05:09 AM
Quote from: retired2 on November 16, 2014, 09:05:58 AM
Quote from: BernardNaish on November 16, 2014, 03:42:17 AM
I have also been wondering where all the air spinners have gone.
To read all the blog is a daunting task and I think it puts a lot of wood shredders off reading it. I think it would help if enquirers were to be pointed to your build to find out how to make a TH at the entry point.
I have not seen any relevant articles in the wood working magazines of late, although I certainly cannot hope to read them all.
"I can't imagine reading all the threads in this forum. In fact, just reading my thread from start to finish is a little daunting, but it was written over time as I was building and testing, so it is a bit drawn out. In hindsight I should have waited till I was finished and then provided only the information essential for other builders - that would have made it easier to read."
This is my first post. I have put off dust collection for way too long and my lungs are being affected. I want to install a system and found this site. I am finding it overwhelmingly daunting to just figure out where to start. The amount of info is why I abandoned doing this years ago.
That said, what I think I am seeing is as follows: I just bought the HF 2 HP collector; I think I'll get a Wynn filter, and add a seperator (? Thein Top Hat looks like a lot of work to make so I might not get to that for a while). I figure this is a start, and I'll just wade my way through more info best I can. I guess if there would be one thing I'd most like to see, it would be some easier way for somone like me with no prior knowledge, to get started. Maybe just a progressive list of steps that sort of summarize the state of the art, starting with a simple system, and adding optional steps. I am thankful for all the info and knowledge here, but it is indeed a bit daunting for a newbie.
I'd suggest starting with the top hat, because I fear in two more years you will be at the same place. All that will have changed is you will have clogged up your new Wynn filter with coarse fines that might have been removed by the separator.
I gather that a seperator is just not that effective. looks like I'll need to make a Top Hat. Have there been any recent state-of-the-art changes to the design? i'd liove if there's a simpler way - I'm all about using my time in the shop to make furniture.
Once again, I'm finding this site a really a wonderful source of info.
--Bill
Quote from: bbrown on December 18, 2014, 11:24:18 AM
I gather that a seperator is just not that effective. looks like I'll need to make a Top Hat. Have there been any recent state-of-the-art changes to the design? i'd liove if there's a simpler way - I'm all about using my time in the shop to make furniture.
Once again, I'm finding this site a really a wonderful source of info.
--Bill
Whoops, I missed your comment about the separator. I consider the top hat a separator also. I'm not sure how much difference there is in performance, but they should be pretty close. Ignore my previous comments. I thought you were not adding any separator device.
No problem, and thank you for the reply.
I'm seeing a variety of separator designs. One even uses the actual Harbour Freight body (between the upper filter and lower dust bag) with a built-in Thein sort of Top Hat. I like that idea.
However, the simplest I am finding seems to be just an horizontal inlet (from the WW machine source) coming into a cylinder with an outlet going vertically to the filter and the heavy stuff just falling into the bin. The horizontal inlet comes in at the top ad hugs one wall, creating the spiral effect as the heavy stuff fall down. It's really just a collector bin with an inlet and a vertical connection to the filter (or the outdoors). Wow, that is really simple and could be built in a few hours. Yet the maker claims it works quite well and the filter gets barely any dust. I know I need to find the source and link it here - I'll try to find it and do that so this design can be critiqued.
Thank you again for this interesting and informative forum. I can see how folks get somewhat hooked on the topic :)
--Bill
OK, here's the link for the HF mod that I think looks like it might be what I want....
http://lumberjocks.com/projects/29578
And here's the collector I was trying to describe (a picture is definitely worth a thousand words).....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNDc66V1_64
So, if anybody has any opinions about ether of these two builds, let me know.
Maybe I'll post this as a new thread.
Thanks,
--Bill
I have built several separators that take out the heavy wood debris by spinning the air stream against the wall of the bin. They work well but do not take out the fine dust. If you are re-circulating air back into your shop you need, as you say to fit a fine pleated filter. This will get blocked and performance will drop until you are forced to clean out the filter. This is a royal pain so is to be avoided. Using a Thien baffle in a top hat avoids the need. I would urge you to build a top hat. It is not much more work indeed easier work than fitting pipes to barrels. My hand tool soul cries, but a day with an electric router should see much of it completed. The best build is here:
http://www.jpthien.com/smf/index.php?topic=563.msg3034;topicseen#msg3034
However do not use acrylic because it is too brittle, think plastic glass. Use polycarbonate instead it is ideal and should be cheaper. Please let us know what you decide.
This is what I needed. Thanks so much. So now at least I have narrowed it down to one thread of information. Looks like I have some reading and work ahead.
Greatly appreciate the information Bernard.
--Bill